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fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcadine radio where

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we explore the unexplained live on

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beyond explanation i'm your host lon

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strickler coming to you within a canon

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shot of the howard fields of gettysburg

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pennsylvania thanks for joining me

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tonight

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is going to be a bit of a somber one

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we're going to be remembering our friend

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colleague butch witkowski

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um

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i've invited a couple folks who've known

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butch for

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several years

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uh i've got sean forker

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uh eric altman and dave scott from

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spaced out radio so guys thanks for

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coming on tonight

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thanks for having us lon we appreciate

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thank you lord

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so i guess uh we'll go around the table

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here and

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get each and one each one of your

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perspective of butch and what you

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what you remember most about butch and

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uh let's start off with um start off

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with sean

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well lon i i kind of met you and butch

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around the same time when we were doing

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uh what with eric beyond the edge radio

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and then often to arcane radio and in

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pennsylvania you know where we live and

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i reside

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you don't know

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much about ufology in pennsylvania until

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you talk to butch buckowski and i became

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familiar with butch through you guys and

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became great friends and

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you know when i found out uh he had

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passed away when you informed me it was

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like you know like i told you like

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losing a grandfather you know you and

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butch are like

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surrogate parents to me

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and spent a lot of time with you guys

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um you know what can you say about butch

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i always told everybody he had a ba in

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bs the man could talk

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like nobody's business and he was

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fantastically passionate

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about the subject the ufos cryptozoology

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and he'd get his boots on the ground uh

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and of course the van you know who could

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who could mention butch without the ufo

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research van right right

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absolutely passionate that's what i

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think of butch passionate yep

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yeah that van was his baby there's no

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doubt about that and uh

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he let everybody know about this

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he had that thing loaded that uh

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it was always that you've been in with

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him and driven around me as well and uh

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oh man the trips the road trips alone

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were a blast with both wait he and you

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you were with him that weekend he was up

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at um eric's bigfooted adventure that

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was the weekend right before he had his

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heart attack yeah that was that was a

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unique weekend we had a great dinner

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with you know friends paul lucas who

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introduced me to and they made us a

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great meal and spending time with eric

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and just a great weekend we were having

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and hang out a little bit and he goes i

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think i gotta head home

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and you know being stubborn like butch

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could be at times like maybe you should

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do that triple o no i'll be fine i'll be

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fine and of course you get home and a

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couple days later you we found out he

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had that you know major heart attack

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so uh eric what are your uh what are

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gosh i met butch years ago um

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that were going on in pennsylvania ufo

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uh sightings that were happening um

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things that he was investigating things

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advice on on

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the ufo subjects especially because as

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researcher and investigator it's a

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fascination of mine but

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he was always sharing stories with me

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passionate is the best word that

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describes him he's very very uh

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passionate about his work

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investigations that he did

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the subject matter very seriously

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um he was boots on the ground as sean

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said he went and investigated and uh i'm

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very grateful that i had the opportunity

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to have him down to the the bigfoot

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adventure back in 2019 i think it was

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camping adventure and as busy as i was i

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butch he gave me a tour of his his van

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which was just out of this world no pun

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intended um it was really cool to see

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all the gizmos he put in it um all the

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hard work because he had talked to me

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about that van and wanting to to put it

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together and just to be able to see it

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and know that that was his baby as shawn

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was able to get into the van see the the

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heart and soul of what he put together

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to utilize it that much but i know he

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was really proud of that accomplishment

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but we still kept in touch and uh as

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were so grateful and so blessed that

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butch recovered from that major heart

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attack and was able to come back and

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that heart attack and get back on the

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airwaves with you guys and and still

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kept in the loop of everything that was

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going on so a great asset to the field

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in my opinion um a great friend i've got

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to know him over the years and uh i

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considered him an inspiration as far as

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ufology goes cryptid research goes and

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just in general he gave it all he gave

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it all he got guys and uh that's the

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so dave you know butch was a monthly

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i don't know how many years maybe three

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your thoughts on on butch

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i can i could tell you lon uh the first

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it was probably the spring of 2015

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i try and be pretty professional on the

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the strength to ask this big tough

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intimidating guy if he would become a

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monthly guest on spaced out radio and

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and sure enough he said yes

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i will always love about the man is we

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every time before the show we i'd call

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him up and he'd be like

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what the hell are we talking about today

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and i'd be like i don't know i'm just

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trying to think of something to piss you

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and and he goes well i'm sure you'll

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why do we even have these conversations

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our audience takes it in a completely

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different direction than where we wanted

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to go

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but you know unfortunately the one thing

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i will regret is i never got to meet him

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face to face i never got to give him

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that hug you know that because

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the one thing that butch always

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integrity and their hard work

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and it didn't matter whether you were on

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the west coast of canada like i am

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or you live just down the street from

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him

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what really he really enjoyed was was

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respect and honesty and he gave it back

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tenfold and uh

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it is a huge huge hole

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in my programming to fill and uh lawn i

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mean thank you so much you're going to

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be filling in on

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on those final mondays of every month

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and i hope you don't mind a cheesy

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little plug here but on spaced out radio

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uh this monday night coming would have

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been our first episode of of strange

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days with butch for 2022 and these

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gentlemen who you see here along with a

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couple others are gonna be my guests uh

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for our tribute show to butch i just

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didn't want to book it on any other

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night besides his night and and god

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bless him i love the man and uh i'm

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still not over this well you know butch

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was supposed to be on tonight with me so

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he was that's why i figured well you

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know i'm going to go ahead and yeah

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that's right

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on this

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you know the first time i met butch now

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i'm going to be honest with you uh

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and and i know sean can verify this and

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i know eric can verify

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we were at the phenomenology in

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gettysburg

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at 2013

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and you know when you go to those things

283
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you sit behind the table and shoot the

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[\h__\h] and you're just thinking about

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everything you're not you're not only

286
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looking at all the girls going by but

287
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you're talking about all kinds of crazy

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stuff

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and um

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i got on this rant about the todd c's

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case

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and i was telling sean you know

293
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i i hit it i've hit a dead end with this

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thing i tried to go back into it a

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couple times

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and i'm just not getting anything

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and

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i need

299
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to find somebody or something to do

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in order to get this thing off the

301
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ground

302
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well i didn't know that butch was

303
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investigating this

304
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and in fact i had only ever talked to

305
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butch one time before that maybe 10

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years previous

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and i had put up on facebook and on the

308
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blog that

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i was going to look into the todd sea's

310
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case and

311
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if anybody wanted to assist or get

312
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involved with it to let me know well

313
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butch got on the horn and called me up

314
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and that's how i met butch really i mean

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we got

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i mean right there

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we were on the phone like three hours

318
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that day and we were on the phone a long

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day and a lot of times for two to three

320
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hours at a time

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i mean it was uh we were just really

322
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getting into it and uh

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i i'm i'm glad and proud to say that

324
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butch and i

325
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we did come up with some decent

326
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information it's still enigma it's still

327
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something that we've been you know we've

328
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worked on off and on

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but uh i am uh i'm i

330
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my i'm very proud of my friendship with

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butch

332
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you know i had people warn me

333
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not to get involved with butch and you

334
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guys know this for a fact there's been

335
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people saying you know you don't want to

336
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get involved with butch because he has

337
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your own way of doing things

338
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he you know and i

339
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i i said well you know if i can get

340
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down to the nitty-gritty of this case i

341
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don't mind working with the guy

342
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and we hit it off and

343
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you know it it was what it was and

344
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and then he you know he of course he was

345
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involved with ufos he wasn't involved

346
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with any type of cryptids or anything at

347
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that time

348
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and as we were working on this todd c's

349
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case

350
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he started getting interested in some of

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the things i was looking at

352
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and the uh the upright canines

353
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in pennsylvania was something that

354
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grabbed his attention

355
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and he said you know do you mind if i

356
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get involved with this i said no i said

357
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you know

358
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and

359
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that's all i had to say because he was

360
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in head first

361
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and uh that's when we started uh doing

362
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these investigations and he was really

363
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really getting very involved with it and

364
00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:58,240
in fact he used to blame me for even

365
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,279
getting involved in it

366
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:03,839
it's you know hang on yeah i always get

367
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this how the hell did you get me

368
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:07,279
involved with this stuff i mean this

369
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stuff's crazy and you know it just

370
00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,399
seemed like every time

371
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we talked we had more and more crazy

372
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things coming up so

373
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yeah that's how it you know that's how

374
00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:20,480
it panned down of course he was my right

375
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hand on the on the phantoms of monsters

376
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14 research team and um

377
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and you know he he was also involved

378
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:31,760
with the radio show with sean and i uh

379
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we did two different shows with butch on

380
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there

381
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and uh yeah so you know i i loved

382
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working with butch it was great i mean

383
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and you know when we went out it was it

384
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was fun as well so

385
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lon i just have to say

386
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you never had a short phone call with

387
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butch no

388
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no

389
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with butch you got butch on the horn you

390
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might as well clear your afternoon

391
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because uh

392
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uh man

393
00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,680
i just and you know that's the thing i

394
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:05,360
miss is even towards then i talked to

395
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,399
him maybe a couple times

396
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from between november and december which

397
00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:12,240
sucked because you know you could talk

398
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:14,800
to you could almost set your watch by

399
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,440
you know a call from butch and

400
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you know his health wasn't great and

401
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,920
it you know you lose some of that

402
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:24,079
uh connection which really sucked for me

403
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:25,279
because like i said it was a really

404
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,560
personal connection with me and butch

405
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:28,240
you don't travel down roads and share

406
00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:30,399
meals together without getting to know

407
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,000
each other and

408
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you know not just professionally but you

409
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,600
know personally

410
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and i used to love his candor with

411
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:40,000
things you know like you said brought

412
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,120
that up

413
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,959
lon that you know people you know would

414
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:44,800
warn warn you about butch they'd say the

415
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:46,000
same thing to me oh you know you can't

416
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:48,320
get involved with butch why not

417
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,519
tell me why

418
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:51,279
and eric knows the same thing and you

419
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,959
know tell me why i can't first of all

420
00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:54,480
you don't ever tell me what i can and

421
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:56,079
can't do i'm gonna do the opposite

422
00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:58,880
anyhow and i just got to know the guy

423
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:01,759
and you know i base my

424
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:03,040
you know

425
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:04,639
i guess belief in a person by my

426
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,560
interactions with him and he's always

427
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,440
was always honest with me and you know

428
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,519
carried himself with integrity

429
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,759
honest guy and we had a lot of fun i

430
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,360
mean there wasn't one thing we couldn't

431
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:16,480
laugh about

432
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,399
on the roads i have some videos i'd

433
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:20,079
share with you guys that probably aren't

434
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,959
politically correct uh offline

435
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,720
you know just little impressions and

436
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:26,480
things that but it was just phenomenal

437
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,440
and i had so much fun with butch just he

438
00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:31,759
came up here just one day

439
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,279
i had a bunch of guys that were really

440
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,320
interested former law enforcement guys

441
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:39,040
that were uh interested in ufos and

442
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,639
really getting into the bigfoot subject

443
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:41,920
and i was talking to butch he was how

444
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:44,880
about i uh bring the van up

445
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,440
and i tell you what he and troy you know

446
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,279
his research partner troy

447
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:51,279
drove up and it's about a three hour

448
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,639
drive from where he lived to where we

449
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:54,560
were at and spent the whole day there

450
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,120
they left at about midnight one am and

451
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,959
made the whole drive back home just to

452
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,519
came up and you know show off the van

453
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,880
and spend some time with some former you

454
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,120
know retired law enforcement guys which

455
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,520
was pretty cool that's the kind of guy

456
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:08,959
butch was

457
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,880
and you talk about todd sees probably

458
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,640
the most frustrating case any of us have

459
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:15,280
worked on yeah and butch had work on

460
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,079
that you know i read the autopsy report

461
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,240
in alberta's pennsylvania it was in my

462
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:22,799
hand for people that say it didn't exist

463
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,520
it was in my hand i looked at it i said

464
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,679
yeah that's right we had and i didn't

465
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,080
make it i don't even i forget why it was

466
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,240
i couldn't make it up there but yeah we

467
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,640
had that um that round table thing up

468
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,480
there and uh

469
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:38,400
butch presented the evidence and such

470
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:39,039
and

471
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,559
he tracked down the autopsy report it

472
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,880
was done by a private firm

473
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,799
and actually it was done out in

474
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,280
allentown which you know is crazy on

475
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,480
itself

476
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,080
and uh you know that whole case

477
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,320
i don't know i i i would really

478
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,960
contribute to butch i would really love

479
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:02,880
to be able to get that thing opened up

480
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,720
and get more information coming out on

481
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:06,160
it because

482
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,200
you know

483
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:09,760
we got a lot of pushback on that thing

484
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,840
and look

485
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:13,520
people

486
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:15,919
who don't know i mean that don't know a

487
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,160
bunch of people do know butch he ruffled

488
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,440
the feathers of

489
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:21,919
buffon and the people in pennsylvania

490
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,200
who ran buffon they didn't get along at

491
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:27,600
all and i i'm in the same boat

492
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,799
so um yeah so the you know but he was

493
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:32,640
with buffon for years

494
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:35,600
as an investigator so um

495
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,320
but this this whole this todd c's case

496
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,559
is something that mufon new fork and all

497
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,760
these other

498
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,840
reporting agencies investigators are

499
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,000
trying to push under the under the rug

500
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,160
and um

501
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,400
we didn't let it we didn't let it close

502
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:55,590
well you know i had to pull out i had to

503
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:57,600
pull out the interview we had

504
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,070
on the show on beyond the edge radio

505
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,799
then i think the next week we had

506
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:07,919
uh

507
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,240
fred come on he jumped on me about the

508
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,400
interview and uh that was funny in

509
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,480
itself so uh

510
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,640
yeah we got a lot of pushback on that

511
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:18,640
well butch wasn't a cult of personality

512
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,320
guy yeah you know like he was uh yes he

513
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,440
uh

514
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,360
was you know had his beliefs and that's

515
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,840
what he went after yeah

516
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,919
you know two months ago two three months

517
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,320
ago he came on the air and for some

518
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:34,960
reason he started talking about

519
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,840
an ex-girlfriend that he named godzilla

520
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,919
because she was about the size of

521
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:41,280
godzilla

522
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,280
and

523
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:46,960
i

524
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,440
know everybody wants to be offended

525
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,240
about everything and here he goes on for

526
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,720
about seven minutes about god's this

527
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:02,880
godzilla x

528
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,640
that was after him and oh my gosh i just

529
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,600
about died and i was i afterwards i

530
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,200
called him up and he

531
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,760
and he was like uh i said we got to talk

532
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,080
about godzilla man i said that was

533
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,000
beautiful he goes too much though i'm

534
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,960
like yeah too much but you know i want

535
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,720
to bring up two guys

536
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,120
i had a bunch of people when i started

537
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,799
bringing on butch

538
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:28,880
at once a month i had a bunch of people

539
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,679
to

540
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,720
come out

541
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:31,760
and say

542
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,799
he's not he wasn't a cop he

543
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,600
uh

544
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:38,320
he got caught impersonating a police

545
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,679
officer he wasn't uh you know who he

546
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:44,480
said he was he's a big fake he's a dummy

547
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,080
he's he screwed mufon in pennsylvania

548
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,200
all of this stuff i had it all thrown at

549
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,480
me and as a journalist by trade when i

550
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,080
first heard that

551
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:59,120
of course i gotta go investigate this

552
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,240
but

553
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,000
i had a conversation with him about it

554
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,320
and i said butch i don't know you that

555
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:06,320
well i'm just trying to put a good show

556
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,520
together

557
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,840
like help me out here and he sent me the

558
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,960
photo that you had up here of him in the

559
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,320
newspaper

560
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,480
as a police officer

561
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,760
and

562
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,159
i was like that's good enough for me

563
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,120
and we ran with it and you know

564
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,440
every now and again we would get

565
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,520
you know once every it was weird once

566
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,440
every like eight nine months there'd be

567
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,400
some jerk coming into our chat room and

568
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,480
trying to insult him from that whatever

569
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,440
crowd

570
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,240
that was very much against him and

571
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,840
i i would just

572
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,240
completely tell him to piss off and

573
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,480
and that's the only thing you could do

574
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:46,799
right but i mean butch was a guy he

575
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,840
either loved him or hated him but 98 of

576
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:51,679
the people loved him even though his

577
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,390
and the people that hated him if they

578
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,960
met him changed their opinion pretty

579
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,000
quickly

580
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,919
a handful of people that's the exception

581
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:04,640
to

582
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:08,320
police officer thing one of the things

583
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,120
that

584
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:10,799
you know because i looked into it as

585
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,039
well uh before i think it was like 1974

586
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,520
there was no like registry or

587
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,360
like record keeping of police officers

588
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,440
in these townships there was like no

589
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,200
database where you could go in and

590
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,200
search like it was just you were on the

591
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,679
payroll for this department or not

592
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,440
uh there's a you know photograph right

593
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,280
there of him being a police officer and

594
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:32,880
you know to the point

595
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,240
that was so long ago uh you know i

596
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:38,400
i'm focusing on his

597
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,720
ufo research from like 1989 on that he

598
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,679
wasn't a cop at anywhere near that time

599
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,320
so to me it didn't really matter i know

600
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:49,840
that might be a little naive for some

601
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,039
people but it didn't matter to me

602
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,799
no it didn't matter to me either you

603
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:55,760
know like

604
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,919
i go by with any of my guests i go by

605
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,760
how do they treat me

606
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,919
you know i mean people have said crap

607
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,080
about me people have said crap about you

608
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,840
guys and there's i don't think there

609
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,799
isn't a single person in this field that

610
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,640
hasn't been attacked it doesn't matter

611
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,679
how nice you are or how gritty you are

612
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,240
but you know in the end it comes down to

613
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:20,400
a few things it was all about integrity

614
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:23,679
and how do you treat me and my listeners

615
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,520
and butch loved the sor listeners and

616
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,159
every show he would let them know what

617
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,600
our listenership

618
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,120
meant to him

619
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,919
and that tells me a lot about the man

620
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,559
that he was never mind the great stories

621
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,720
about the investigations

622
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,200
and everything along those lines but it

623
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,600
was just uh

624
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:47,200
it was powerful

625
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,679
he fed off the energy of any audience he

626
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,240
was in front of

627
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,760
and you're right about that because he

628
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,600
loved uh

629
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,919
the listeners when we were doing the

630
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,679
existence of strange things together we

631
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,039
were trying to figure out what to call

632
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,480
our uh our listeners and we went from

633
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,159
we settled on the exister's lawn you

634
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,440
remember but you know what butch wanted

635
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:11,520
to call him don't you do you remember i

636
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:12,320
don't

637
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,789
he wanted to call them testies uh

638
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,919
i didn't go over well with the

639
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
production team but i thought it was

640
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,600
great i was

641
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,480
that's butch that was buddy yeah

642
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,679
yeah you know it's funny um

643
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:31,679
you and i talked butch into coming on

644
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,120
and and being uh the wingman on uh on

645
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,000
arcane when it was first started

646
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,080
uh we had done on uh

647
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,840
about a year or so then butch i talked

648
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,760
butch into coming in i think you did too

649
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,480
and he was like i can't do that anymore

650
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,400
he was hesitant i said but try it out

651
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,960
man just see what you can do

652
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,520
and uh he was great on there and you

653
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,159
know when we got on to the existence of

654
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:57,919
strange things which

655
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,039
i'll tell you guys and that was a pain

656
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:03,840
in the ass because we had to um

657
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,520
it was a podcast and we had to uh do

658
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,600
like four or five hour sessions of

659
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,440
recording this show

660
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:12,960
and

661
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,240
the guy who was running it was he he was

662
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,000
a taskmaster and

663
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,760
i mean i i got to the point where i

664
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,480
eventually just told him go stick it and

665
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,120
i i got away from it but uh

666
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,960
butch butchering you hung in with it i

667
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,279
got to give you credit for that but uh

668
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,269
but he he he's like i just can't leave

669
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,679
you sean he goes i got it

670
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,120
i got to be there with you he goes i've

671
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,360
got to go he said i can't leave sean

672
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,840
nope he he had he stayed and i tell you

673
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,520
what week after week

674
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,679
and we spent an hour trying to get his

675
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,039
microphone just right so

676
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,960
because you know our producer was a task

677
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,120
master and i'm like the man's 70 years

678
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,039
old like cut him some slack we've got to

679
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,520
get the sound right look okay

680
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,679
so we we got it down eventually but i

681
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,000
know he hated it but again i i really

682
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,440
felt like it was one of those things he

683
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,799
did for me

684
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,120
and uh he made it a lot of fun and there

685
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,880
are times where we were doing a guest

686
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,799
and he could care less about anything

687
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,039
they had to talk about

688
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,120
and he would stumble to try to find

689
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,240
something interesting in the

690
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,960
conversation but he hung through

691
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,120
and he did it and i'll always appreciate

692
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,360
that because again it was

693
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,600
you know we built a friendship man like

694
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,600
you could talk to you know just not just

695
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,600
professionally but personally and

696
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,679
the candor upon which he operated i was

697
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,320
having some problems with my wife and

698
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,000
you know things weren't going so great

699
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,600
at the time and he goes don't be an

700
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,480
idiot she's already too good for you

701
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,159
you know what do you you know what are

702
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,159
you doing what are you thinking and i'm

703
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,799
like you know what you're right and uh

704
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,480
i just love the guy he was just so

705
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,120
honest and he cared

706
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,039
always asked about the family always

707
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,600
asked about the kids like he cared about

708
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,320
uh me and i had a lot of fun with butch

709
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,720
i keep saying that but

710
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,799
long car rides man and when you get

711
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,559
older you know you got to stop a lot

712
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,240
more and

713
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,159
you got to travel a little differently i

714
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,400
didn't care because the stories i got

715
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:15,520
from point a to point b to our final

716
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,279
destination were just fantastic

717
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,720
i wish i could have been there with you

718
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,399
man i'm jealous

719
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,159
i wish i would have recorded every one

720
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,080
of them yeah

721
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:27,760
might have had some indictments after it

722
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,870
eric you got anything to say

723
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,880
i'm actually just enjoying this

724
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,880
um

725
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,799
it's great to hear people reminisce and

726
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,120
remember the good things about butch

727
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,960
yeah i remember there there's people

728
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,799
that after i met him out east there are

729
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,159
people that warned me about bush stay

730
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,120
away from him he's a fraud he's a phony

731
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,919
the whole police thing was made up and i

732
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,440
don't

733
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,360
how can i say this

734
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,440
i don't mistrust the people that told me

735
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,679
that but i think they were mistaken as

736
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,440
shauna mentioned about the uh not

737
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,120
finding the police records

738
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,640
a very good friend of mine told me about

739
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,919
that he wasn't able to locate police

740
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,919
records on him and that that didn't

741
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,600
matter to me i mean

742
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,360
if if he was or he wasn't a police

743
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,799
officer i knew

744
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:16,880
butch from the point that i got to meet

745
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,310
forward i didn't care about his past we

746
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,799
all have issues in our past i cared

747
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,039
about the man who he was then and now

748
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,600
and i got to know him really well and we

749
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,640
had a lot of fun on some of those phone

750
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,399
calls

751
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,440
and

752
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:38,720
just the

753
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:42,240
the language and the brute honesty and

754
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,960
just

755
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
told you like it is

756
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,000
and whether you liked it or not he was

757
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,679
he'd be honest with you if you didn't

758
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,360
want to hear it he'd tell you if you

759
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,200
needed to hear it you heard it

760
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,200
and that's just how he was and i'm just

761
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,279
enjoying listening to your guys memories

762
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,360
of him um i remember that that radio

763
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,919
interview so so well on that you and i

764
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,120
did with butch

765
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,320
uh the todd c's case and then that

766
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:07,279
i won't

767
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,640
but that person that insulted butch

768
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,399
and made all those comments and insisted

769
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:16,480
coming on the next week

770
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,960
to counter the show good grief

771
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,799
but butch just laughed it off that was

772
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,000
the kind of person he was he was like

773
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,600
you know what you can't please everybody

774
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,039
and i'm just going to keep on being me

775
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,880
and doing what i do and that's what he

776
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,760
did

777
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,440
and that's what i admire most about him

778
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,440
he just did what he did he was who he

779
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,600
was love him or hate him that was butch

780
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,320
witkowski and he didn't try to

781
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:40,000
be somebody different to please anybody

782
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,960
else

783
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,159
or to

784
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,919
you know act a certain way because some

785
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,200
people didn't want him to act that way

786
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:46,880
butch was butch

787
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,140
and

788
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,399
[Music]

789
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,559
he was very colorful in some of his

790
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,799
metaphors and language and that always

791
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,240
that always made me laugh on the phone

792
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,080
calls and we were talking and he called

793
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,279
somebody a name or a situation a name

794
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,200
and he didn't hold back

795
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,120
and i was like man

796
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,870
but in a lot

797
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,480
when we were doing the

798
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,799
the pilot or the i'm sorry the

799
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,360
the sizzle reel for the uh show we were

800
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,960
going to make yeah as some of the

801
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,559
photographs that are there you can see

802
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,480
where the graphics are up there now

803
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,960
that was a hell of a day that was a fun

804
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,520
day it was a loaded day too and and

805
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,960
butch could be a little impatient

806
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,640
sometimes

807
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,919
so

808
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,360
yeah are these guys going to hurry up

809
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,600
what what the hell are we doing here

810
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,760
what more do they want

811
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,120
they just want me to drive around this

812
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,440
freaking town all day they did i mean

813
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,240
they had him in the truck and i i wish i

814
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,720
could get that thing and keep it but

815
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,000
they you know

816
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,080
uh it was a property of the production

817
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,120
company but yeah we had we had an actual

818
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,120
production company from new york city

819
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,320
come in

820
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,000
and um

821
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,360
we were doing a sizzle reel to shop a

822
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:00,799
show which was going to be called

823
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,679
krypton hunters yeah um

824
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:05,519
to the networks

825
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:09,919
and it was butch sean uh tim renner eric

826
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,279
i mean um troy nolan myself

827
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,640
and uh

828
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,360
we were the pennsylvania guys from the

829
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,519
team and uh

830
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,840
we were gonna make this show

831
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,600
well they shot unfortunately they

832
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,720
shopped and it just didn't pan out um

833
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,919
but

834
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,840
you know we were gonna try to do a lot

835
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,600
of other things as well but it just

836
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,600
didn't work out so unfortunately that

837
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,159
didn't but that day was cool because we

838
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,320
were at my old house

839
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,799
my uh my father had just passed away not

840
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,640
long before that

841
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:44,320
and uh

842
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,200
you know

843
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,799
that property

844
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:48,320
it was just perfect because we could do

845
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,519
as much as we could because we out in

846
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:51,279
the big parking lot and everything and

847
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,320
uh

848
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,440
so um yeah but that was that was i had

849
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,000
fun that day i really did i i it was a

850
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,519
blast yeah

851
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,760
it was very interesting what i think the

852
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,000
best part of that day was is they had

853
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,760
all these shots set up they wanted to do

854
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,080
with us and as you know butch and lawn

855
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,399
and myself just naturally do we we're

856
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,559
you know end up in the kitchen and we're

857
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,159
sitting around your big kitchen table

858
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,840
you remember and these guys are looking

859
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,600
at each other and all of a sudden we're

860
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,039
just sitting there having a regular

861
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,559
conversation all this guy's just

862
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,080
shooting the breeze and talking about

863
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,120
things and

864
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,960
the cameras are up they're filming all

865
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,640
of us the producers are like this is

866
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,399
great stuff right here like

867
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,559
just this all this stuff they sh they

868
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,840
set up

869
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,760
you know it was the natural stuff that

870
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,000
happened that was probably the best

871
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,640
would have been the best television

872
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,120
oh i think so i mean uh

873
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,200
there was uh it because we did have a

874
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,600
pretty intense conversation about some

875
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,080
of the cases we had been working on

876
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,840
and uh

877
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,080
the producer and his camera guy were

878
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,480
there and i was three of them there him

879
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,080
the associate producer and all that they

880
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,840
were filming all this

881
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,320
so uh yeah it was cool it was it was

882
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,919
really cool you know you're talking

883
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,000
about i tell you the best time being

884
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,600
with put shows when you're in the car

885
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,760
with him or the truck the van with him

886
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,399
for four or five hours of a stretch and

887
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,200
i'm telling you is non-stop

888
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,840
you are hearing every little thing

889
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,559
that butch is interested in and i'm it

890
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:20,399
was some pretty interesting things

891
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,080
uh and if he felt like it was pertinent

892
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,720
for him to bring a subject it was coming

893
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,679
up

894
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,320
and uh yeah that was uh

895
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,039
that last trip i took with him up to uh

896
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,399
up to eric's

897
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,480
up in fayette county that was an

898
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,799
interesting week weekend uh it really

899
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,880
was

900
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,840
you know we always used to talk about

901
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,559
him coming up to canada because the one

902
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,000
thing that butch

903
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,000
always had time for

904
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,480
was people's stories and their

905
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,799
encounters especially the close

906
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,440
encounters and knowing that i had had a

907
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,720
few of my own one of his dreams was to

908
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,279
come up to british columbia where i was

909
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,039
because he'd always heard so much about

910
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,519
it up here and wanted to get up here to

911
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,079
get into the forest and and start

912
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,520
looking for some sasquatch up here

913
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,919
and i always said doors open and then

914
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,879
you know

915
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,599
the heart attack and then covid and

916
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,200
and then

917
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,760
unfortunately we didn't get to do it but

918
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,720
i mean

919
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,760
he was always asking come on what do you

920
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,440
got going on you got to have something

921
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,599
going on up there you know tell me about

922
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,399
it and we'd go into detail and you know

923
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,480
i i would look for hints on what to do

924
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,800
with my bigfoot gifting sites that i had

925
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,919
up here and and you know we when i had

926
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,280
photographs

927
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,919
some were great some weren't but i could

928
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,599
always count on him

929
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,639
to to break down a photograph of a of a

930
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,200
haunted house or a ghost or something

931
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:56,159
along those lines that would really

932
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,280
really

933
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,960
lead to something and he would tell me

934
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
point blank yeah you got something there

935
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,440
or you got [\h__\h] there you know it was

936
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,440
one

937
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,839
i knew i was i knew i had a 50 50 chance

938
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,880
going in

939
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,040
you know but i i'm saddened that my

940
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:14,000
friend and our friend in general uh

941
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,829
i'll regret that

942
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:23,680
yeah there were two trips he and i were

943
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,359
supposed to do this year dave one was to

944
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,200
cherry springs up in

945
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,960
pennsylvania the darkest skies on the

946
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,320
east coast

947
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,160
and then gettysburg to go out and hang

948
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,359
out with lawn

949
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,839
uh for the weekend and they were on the

950
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,160
agenda for this year and it's sad we're

951
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,839
not gonna be able to take those trips i

952
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,160
still think i'm gonna go to cherry

953
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,680
cherry springs and i'm going to go out

954
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,160
and see lawn anyhow but it's just it's

955
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,160
going to suck a lot more that

956
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,280
butch isn't with me because those are

957
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,119
things we wanted to do

958
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,599
together

959
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,520
yeah unfortunately butch had gotten

960
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,480
covered

961
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,680
uh

962
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,880
when

963
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,680
i was hosting some friends in gettysburg

964
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,280
and he couldn't make it

965
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,040
uh so yeah

966
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,920
unfortunately that's what happened and

967
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,359
but i think we're going to do something

968
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,359
this summer i know luis is supposed to

969
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000
come out from la and um

970
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,000
uh some of the other team maybe we can

971
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,599
get together i think

972
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,960
i think tim

973
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,440
renner is going to get involved he

974
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,040
he just i don't know if you saw my

975
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,800
interview with him last week but he just

976
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,200
did um he just did another book about

977
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,359
some of the bridges at gettysburg pretty

978
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,720
interesting stuff

979
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,040
so uh yeah we got plenty to look at but

980
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,640
we'll get something together but

981
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,640
unfortunately we want butch with us and

982
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,680
that's

983
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,480
you know

984
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,160
that's a big that's a big loss right

985
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,079
there because you know

986
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,280
it it was all it was always interesting

987
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,640
to hear his take on a few things i mean

988
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,240
um you know

989
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,079
i think vincent put a question in

990
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,440
earlier about

991
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,119
what was our favorite case well of

992
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,119
course it had to be a todd c's case yeah

993
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,960
hands down to that

994
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,200
todd sees yeah but we really got

995
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,000
involved with this upright canine dog

996
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,680
man thing in pennsylvania and um

997
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:11,680
you know after i look back at it i think

998
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:14,560
butch probably

999
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,720
uncovered at least 30 cases uh

1000
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,359
some were bigger than others but

1001
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:24,240
he did go out he i mean he was he was

1002
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,200
out there

1003
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,640
looking at areas um

1004
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:30,880
we had a uh

1005
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,160
we had a pale crawler sighting out by

1006
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,440
french french creek out there in

1007
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,760
berks county

1008
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,160
and he was setting up trail cams out

1009
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,000
there him and the ranger that were out

1010
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,680
there were setting up trucking i i don't

1011
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:47,200
know if they're still even out there yet

1012
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,400
they might be

1013
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,800
i don't know uh but yeah he was doing

1014
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,400
that we had some

1015
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,839
sightings near pottstown and uh

1016
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:57,839
you know so no he was active up until

1017
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,630
he had spent some time up in clearfield

1018
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,280
too clearly county pennsylvania

1019
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,520
investigating some of those uh upright

1020
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,079
canine sightings there and he actually

1021
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,920
went to i think it's a wolf

1022
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,280
i don't want to say a rescue but like a

1023
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,280
sanctuary they had there

1024
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,960
and actually visited and that was one of

1025
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,040
the things i appreciated because

1026
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,599
he took the time to go out and spend the

1027
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,119
time to

1028
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,599
be with real wolves

1029
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,240
you know look how you know ken are what

1030
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,880
these people seeing actual wolves or are

1031
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,240
they something different you know what

1032
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,680
would make the difference between the

1033
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,240
two what physical you know

1034
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,400
descriptions of wolves can i go out and

1035
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,560
actually physically verify and see and

1036
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,960
experience behavior-wise

1037
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,200
and compare that to these sightings and

1038
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,440
when he was with the wolves man i i

1039
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,320
don't know what it was but he was like

1040
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,040
mesmerized by them like he talked about

1041
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,200
that trip to the sanctuary like ad

1042
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,200
nauseam for weeks after

1043
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,400
there he was fascinated by it i think he

1044
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,560
took a whole new reverence for them when

1045
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,720
he left and had that experience just how

1046
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,800
large they were i think that's what

1047
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,960
really blew his mind and

1048
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,320
uh you know gave him a different

1049
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,920
perspective and angle to work some of

1050
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,440
these you know

1051
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,079
canine cryptid sightings

1052
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,680
yeah on

1053
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,079
and you know he made a lot of trips at

1054
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,480
the locations uh he was clear field i

1055
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,520
think he was

1056
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,000
he had at least two trips out there he

1057
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,320
also was up in center county

1058
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,640
he was out in blair county and he was

1059
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,200
also in cambria county for different

1060
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,880
investigations

1061
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:38,000
uh

1062
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:39,200
we were

1063
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,400
really interesting

1064
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,160
sightings i mean you know

1065
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,760
um but

1066
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,200
you know i'm gonna have what i'm gonna

1067
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,440
have to do is at one point i'm gonna do

1068
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:51,920
a whole show on that again

1069
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,240
and uh do a round table thing and um

1070
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,320
because i i and i'm going to say it now

1071
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,720
the show is rebranding

1072
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,000
uh it's

1073
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,560
not going to be arcane radio much longer

1074
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,240
it's going to be phantoms and monsters

1075
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,599
radio

1076
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:10,640
and it's going to be we're going to try

1077
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,839
to do call-ins um

1078
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,079
answer more questions and do more

1079
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,200
roundtable discussions on subjects

1080
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,440
and i think that's what people want i

1081
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,720
mean you know having guests is good

1082
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,839
but

1083
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,560
you know you you you need to

1084
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,200
get those guests that are conducive to

1085
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,119
what you're doing yeah and that's where

1086
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,200
people are interested and uh i think

1087
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,720
we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna

1088
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,359
concentrate on that more more you know

1089
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,839
hard to not recycle them too quickly

1090
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,079
between shows like yeah it seems like

1091
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,920
there's a circuit you get a guest on the

1092
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,280
next thing you know you think you're on

1093
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,280
something hot and then you finish your

1094
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,960
show and they're on four or five six

1095
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,800
other shows afterwards

1096
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,480
doing the same thing it's hard right

1097
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,680
especially when you're trying to be

1098
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,800
fresh and

1099
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,400
you know unique and sometimes it's hard

1100
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,920
because these topics are anything but

1101
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,119
fresh

1102
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,599
uh anymore

1103
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920
but i i'm excited for you i'm glad to

1104
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,440
see you switching up a little bit you

1105
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,960
and i started arcane radio at the

1106
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,800
beginning sometimes you need a new coat

1107
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,359
of paint you know to spiffy things up

1108
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:16,720
and well you know i um when when we did

1109
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,839
the uh when i got off of the um

1110
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:21,680
existence of strange things that was

1111
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
what 2018 i think yeah

1112
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,319
19 anyway

1113
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,640
i went back and i asked you i said you

1114
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,790
and uh yeah i mean

1115
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,720
so i've been doing that now since then

1116
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,040
and uh but no it's time to change it up

1117
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,720
a bit and uh

1118
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,560
now people can probably find me because

1119
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,160
they'll see fans and monsters say well

1120
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,079
that's lawn because uh

1121
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:47,680
a lot of people didn't know arcane

1122
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,720
really was me for the most part so

1123
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,640
well it's funny you know i feel like

1124
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,720
eric and i are responsible for dragging

1125
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,440
you into this podcast

1126
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,599
you remember we brought you on beyond

1127
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,440
the edge radio with that little i have i

1128
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:03,920
love segments strictly paranormal with

1129
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,119
lon strickler you remember

1130
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,440
yeah i love those little we had nick

1131
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,760
redford during the set yep

1132
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,240
yeah baker was doing one yeah oh

1133
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,680
goodness yeah you know it was surprising

1134
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,839
james baker you know a good friend of

1135
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,680
mine and butch never met each other no

1136
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,079
they did once in gettysburg in

1137
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,359
gettysburg they met each other

1138
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,000
gettysburg but they both left such an

1139
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,400
impression on one another

1140
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,240
and they the only time they really

1141
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,480
interacted much like you dave is through

1142
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,839
radio right through the the podcasting

1143
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,560
and just the two of those guys just they

1144
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,160
had this

1145
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,119
i don't like rivalry with each other

1146
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,040
one-liners pounding each other with

1147
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,720
one-liners and they only met each other

1148
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,319
once

1149
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,640
but it was never never ceased between

1150
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,800
those two and when i told bake you know

1151
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,960
that uh butch passed away he was really

1152
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,040
upset about it yeah you know he couldn't

1153
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,720
even come up with a one-liner that was

1154
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,880
funny to you know send him off with like

1155
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,359
he was pretty hurt by it so baker had me

1156
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,720
rolling up there that weekend up in

1157
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,960
gettysburg because oh that guy come up

1158
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,319
with some i mean

1159
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,160
and i just imagine him and butch

1160
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,079
together i mean he talked about two

1161
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,960
characters i mean yeah yeah

1162
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,200
so yeah he's my curse i'm stuck with

1163
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:24,630
but he's fun but just like i said it's

1164
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,760
that

1165
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,359
you know personality you know to take it

1166
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,000
back to butch is he you tried to get

1167
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,440
along with him you could get along with

1168
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,359
them and i think people that had a

1169
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,800
problem with them didn't give them a

1170
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
chance they had a preconceived notion or

1171
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,319
something they heard

1172
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,760
and didn't get to spend time with them

1173
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,280
and learn because once you got to know

1174
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,520
butch you loved them

1175
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,440
well let's let's also remember too that

1176
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,520
90 of the critics out there in this

1177
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,480
field

1178
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,880
have are going on reaction of what

1179
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,079
they've read online yeah and the bs is

1180
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,240
always a little bit more

1181
00:44:03,430 --> 00:43:59,760
juicy than the truth of the reality of

1182
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,440
things and and you know for butch

1183
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,240
i loved how he had strong shoulders

1184
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,560
about that you know my only wish for him

1185
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:09,839
is i wish he could have seen one of

1186
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,040
those bipedal canines yeah

1187
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,599
he had the tracks he had the evidence he

1188
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,400
had

1189
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,119
the the spots of where to watch

1190
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,240
and

1191
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,960
that was his dream was to see one of

1192
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,920
these bipedal canines or or to have some

1193
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,400
ufo land right in front of him and have

1194
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,640
some beings get out he could you know

1195
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,640
shoot the breeze with them and kind of

1196
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
go from there

1197
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,839
you know and have his own close

1198
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,680
encounters of the third kind kind of

1199
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,839
situation well that'd be an interesting

1200
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:41,200
encounter

1201
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
oh yeah

1202
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,160
what are you doing here who are you

1203
00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:45,680
where you come from

1204
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,120
jeez you smell

1205
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,480
[Laughter]

1206
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,000
hold still i'm going to grab a hold of

1207
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,000
one of you little

1208
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,069
well you know butch used to move out

1209
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,359
tucson arizona yeah he had he he saw a

1210
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,599
huge ufo

1211
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:02,640
uh

1212
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,720
that's what did it for him that started

1213
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,000
it off

1214
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,640
and uh i mean at least he got to see one

1215
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,480
i have never seen one that i could

1216
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,760
really

1217
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,920
say i saw one you know i see orbs of

1218
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,880
stuff but

1219
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,680
you know

1220
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,359
not like that

1221
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,920
and uh that's what did it for him but

1222
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,400
what's that say guys that he had this

1223
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,359
singular sighting in 1989 didn't really

1224
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,880
have a whole hell of a lot of interest

1225
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,599
in it yeah and he goes from being you

1226
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,480
know a spectator and a witness

1227
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,640
to this full-fledged second

1228
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,520
post-retirement career

1229
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:43,599
in ufology yeah

1230
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,400
and the money he spent in the research

1231
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,240
on the equipment and butch didn't have

1232
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,800
cheap equipment guys like the equipment

1233
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,880
in that van was

1234
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,359
good equipment like it wasn't junk like

1235
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,200
anybody could go to dollar stores and

1236
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,640
put stuff together and make it look like

1237
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,280
you got stuff he had panasonic tough

1238
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,319
books like you you name it uh you know

1239
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,040
flair cameras you name it he had it

1240
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,480
and

1241
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,720
you know to so how impactful did that

1242
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,720
sighting have to be in 89 for him to not

1243
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,640
just invest the time

1244
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,520
but the copious amounts of money

1245
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,920
he he put into it

1246
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,920
yeah i mean you know

1247
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,240
we all talk about

1248
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,040
how expensive it is to do what we do

1249
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,440
and because we're not making any money i

1250
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,319
mean you know not to even get close to

1251
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,319
compensating ourselves for what we spent

1252
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,560
it just does not happen

1253
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,240
uh you can write all the books do all

1254
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,680
the blogs you want to it's not gonna

1255
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:44,400
you're never gonna make up for it but

1256
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:47,920
but still he did he uh

1257
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,040
he was serious and he got bit that day

1258
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,280
he he saw that you you know i asked him

1259
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,440
about that and i i you know

1260
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,079
it was the same answer i got every time

1261
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,200
i don't know

1262
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,640
i i just found it so interesting i i had

1263
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,400
to get into it and when he moved they

1264
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,560
moved back to pennsylvania he and his

1265
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:08,319
wife moved back to pennsylvania and not

1266
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,359
long after that uh and uh yeah that's uh

1267
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,520
that's he got involved with mufon then

1268
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,520
and um yeah

1269
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,040
i think we have to send a little love to

1270
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:21,680
peggy for you know supporting him and

1271
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
that all through the years man she did

1272
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,760
yeah my wife throws a fit if i spend a

1273
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,280
little money on this i couldn't imagine

1274
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,440
telling my wife hey i just you know

1275
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,200
dropped a boatload of money on a van and

1276
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:35,040
you know you know a [\h__\h] ton of money on

1277
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,040
gear i hope you don't mind yeah uh yeah

1278
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,599
she supported butch she did and she

1279
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,920
really did and she's a great lady and

1280
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,760
very sweet yeah

1281
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,240
i met her once and butch is like yeah

1282
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,319
butch is like that's the boss

1283
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,640
right there the boss well he said that

1284
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,640
yeah yeah

1285
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,359
she she was such a sweet lady cut tough

1286
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,720
you know

1287
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,480
you had to be i guess to be married to

1288
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:02,319
butch tough but

1289
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,670
i just he had a lot of love for her too

1290
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,559
man

1291
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,400
as his grandkids

1292
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,640
yeah uh he did

1293
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:16,160
yeah that's he used to bust my balls all

1294
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,520
the time he goes you're not any older

1295
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,520
than my grandkids or i'd say something

1296
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:22,319
he goes hey shut up you're a kid

1297
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,280
i mean

1298
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,960
you know i'd be on the phone with butch

1299
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,559
and he'd say well how's our son doing

1300
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,559
down here that was you

1301
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,359
uh i said he's you know i i don't know i

1302
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,079
talked to sean this and that but that's

1303
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,069
yeah man i tell you

1304
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,400
and he was very much sometimes that you

1305
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,800
know paternal father let me tell you

1306
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,559
kick you in the ass when you need it

1307
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,440
yeah

1308
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,400
science-minded open your mind a little

1309
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,000
bit i tried

1310
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:54,800
i didn't like it well try it again

1311
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,160
well i am happy to say that uh u4 cop is

1312
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:00,160
going to continue on

1313
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,000
uh the facebook page is uh still going i

1314
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,000
mean now he shut the website down about

1315
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:08,720
two years ago but the facebook page is

1316
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,480
gonna continue on and uh you uh sean and

1317
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:14,880
and and barb becker and myself are gonna

1318
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,319
run it uh for the time being i you know

1319
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,400
i i may even

1320
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,480
rebuild a website for it at some point i

1321
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,079
don't know we'll see it

1322
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,200
but uh i i just you know it's not like i

1323
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,599
feel obligated to do it but i i want to

1324
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,240
do it you know butch was proud of it and

1325
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,800
he did a lot of work and you know

1326
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,280
he was really into

1327
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:39,680
the human mutilation

1328
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,800
abduction part of ufology the the

1329
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,480
different you know not not the nuts and

1330
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,319
bolts craft stuff

1331
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,920
uh he was uh he was into the

1332
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,000
you know the weird the weirder stuff the

1333
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,680
woo you want to call it or whatever but

1334
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,480
uh

1335
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,480
yeah that fascinated him so and that's

1336
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,720
why he started you four cop because it's

1337
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,760
uh

1338
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,760
you know it it's a bit of a different

1339
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,280
it's it's different

1340
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,280
you know so um

1341
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,760
yeah i i think contribute to butch i i

1342
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,559
may very well do a website at some point

1343
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,680
and uh get you guys involved in it and

1344
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,000
we can do it as part of phantoms and

1345
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,480
monsters and uh

1346
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,079
you know even though it always has been

1347
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,160
that part of phantoms and monsters

1348
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:24,319
but uh you know if other folks in the

1349
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,839
team want to get involved with and we

1350
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,839
can do that

1351
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,119
sign me up

1352
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,760
do you guys mind if i show you something

1353
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,240
or a couple of pieces here uh for people

1354
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:36,319
who don't listen to my show

1355
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,440
i have

1356
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,520
an artist named

1357
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,400
filth who is uh

1358
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:45,200
who has always drawn cartoons up for my

1359
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,160
show

1360
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,800
and butch was one of his favorite

1361
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,870
and uh

1362
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,119
i apologize all mixed up here so if you

1363
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,440
just want to add that

1364
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,960
uh

1365
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,720
down on the screen there did you send it

1366
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,160
to vincent

1367
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,920
yeah i'm i'm trying to share that my

1368
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,800
screen so vince it'll just grab grab

1369
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:12,240
this the florida window there and

1370
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,990
i don't know if he can or not

1371
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:22,880
there we go so okay this one

1372
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,760
there was this one here this was butch

1373
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,000
right up here this was a hollywood

1374
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,119
squares type of cartoon that he he drew

1375
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:33,520
out with all the different monsters that

1376
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:36,950
we butch would uh go look at um

1377
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,270
you have to send that to me dave

1378
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,640
oh

1379
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,280
there's this one here here's butch

1380
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,800
right here

1381
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,720
and uh

1382
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,920
you know

1383
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,720
just anything he could do to give a a a

1384
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,400
piece of humor

1385
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:58,319
to it all

1386
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,520
and

1387
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:01,520
there's a couple

1388
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,520
a few more here oh my god he sure did

1389
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,520
oh yeah butch

1390
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:08,800
uh where

1391
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,720
between butch and uh dr bob mcguire

1392
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,400
we got quite a few here here's one of

1393
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,400
the best or here's a couple

1394
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:19,280
this is one of my favorite ones

1395
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,670
because that should do it and i say what

1396
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,319
should do it that should draw sasquatch

1397
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,480
out of hiding how so butch

1398
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,240
they are curious and i doubt they have

1399
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,280
seen an abacus before

1400
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,079
all else fails can we try some beer

1401
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:39,839
and then uh

1402
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,280
here's another beautiful one a butch

1403
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,400
uh right here under my round table

1404
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,480
uh when i ask about what's with the

1405
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:51,200
abacus he goes sometimes you have to go

1406
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,510
let me see if there's any more in here

1407
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:04,630
um

1408
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,309
now the point to this one was last year

1409
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,800
a couple hours before show time i was

1410
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,040
going to get something from my vehicle

1411
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,280
and i slipped down my stairs and threw

1412
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,240
out my entire back and i had butch on

1413
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,640
that night and i said i slipped on some

1414
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,119
ice and hurt myself i'm old

1415
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:29,920
butch butch on air said you ain't that

1416
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:32,390
old dave i have socks older than you

1417
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,470
that's butch

1418
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,069
guys don't cry when i

1419
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,230
don't cry when you see this one

1420
00:53:52,240 --> 00:54:02,230
oh

1421
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:09,109
uh that's that's rough yeah

1422
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,670
that one hurt i mean in a good way

1423
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:13,359
absolutely yeah

1424
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:22,710
i i i do hope i do hope he is meeting

1425
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:25,839
the other the other realm

1426
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,520
as we speak because uh

1427
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,839
uh you know he had talked about he and i

1428
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,880
had talked about that once before

1429
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,200
and uh and i i told him you know would

1430
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,359
you be interested or

1431
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,520
you know if if you were abducted what

1432
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,480
would you do what would you you know

1433
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,400
he said i don't know but

1434
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,240
it would be an interesting trip he said

1435
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,079
when i die maybe that's where i'll go

1436
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,920
one you know and that was that to what

1437
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,839
he told me and exactly what he told me

1438
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,680
and yeah

1439
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:58,640
yeah he uh he he probably is among the

1440
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:05,190
yeah

1441
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,710
we've had a lot of them over the years

1442
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,079
of friends and

1443
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,480
people we lost in the community but i

1444
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,240
tell you

1445
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,440
butch hurt man yeah that one

1446
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:19,280
that one stung and and

1447
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,040
it was unexpected to me you know and uh

1448
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,119
i always joked with with butch you know

1449
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,640
the things about being friends with old

1450
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,240
people is that your friends die before

1451
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,760
you you hope

1452
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:31,680
and

1453
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,040
because

1454
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,000
just

1455
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,599
he and i were supposed to do some more

1456
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,920
things with small town monsters uh he

1457
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,400
was supposed to be a big part of

1458
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,640
uh you know a bigger part in the night

1459
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,559
visitors and and some of the other ones

1460
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,160
seth was doing and

1461
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:57,760
you know when i talked to seth seth was

1462
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,119
just you know shocked and stunned

1463
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,880
as well because there's so much work he

1464
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,960
had left to finish that that's what i

1465
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,760
guess

1466
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,119
you know not just the sass but what

1467
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,440
really pisses you off like he had so

1468
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,359
much more to do

1469
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,160
and uh i'm not gonna think sean the good

1470
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,079
thing about that is he left incapable

1471
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,160
hands yeah but i'm not half as good as

1472
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,319
he is when it came to this ufo stuff let

1473
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:22,400
me tell you not half of this never will

1474
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:23,680
be but

1475
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,559
he left it in capable hands

1476
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,960
well you know he was supposed to do uh

1477
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,640
like you said he was supposed to do some

1478
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:33,839
another ufo segment i believe with uh

1479
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,119
what's uh seth and uh and shannon and

1480
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,319
then he was they asked him about doing

1481
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,280
uh a film on dogman in pennsylvania up

1482
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,839
right k9s and uh

1483
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,160
he was going to do that unfortunately it

1484
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,079
didn't get done so

1485
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,799
well that day we did the shooting for uh

1486
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,280
on the trailer ufos yeah they just

1487
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,640
showed a little bit

1488
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:57,520
of

1489
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,400
that day that that couple hours we spent

1490
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,240
there because i've never seen a more

1491
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,319
captivated group of people

1492
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,000
than the people sitting there listening

1493
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,920
the butch talk about

1494
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,760
these abductions and he was talking

1495
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:13,280
about the stuff that you don't hear

1496
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:17,200
about on tv these really dark aspects

1497
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,160
of

1498
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,559
you know butch had the knowledge he had

1499
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,319
the stories and he could just rattle it

1500
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,040
off like it was

1501
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,079
nobody's business and he

1502
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:29,920
you know i hope in some way we see some

1503
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,799
of that because well observation

1504
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,040
i tell you folks if you do get a chance

1505
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,880
to see that segment

1506
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,480
and um

1507
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,319
where butch does the interview for the

1508
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,480
[\h__\h] for the for the film

1509
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,240
it is one of his best interviews i've

1510
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:46,559
ever heard him do

1511
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,520
it was very interesting it was very well

1512
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,640
done

1513
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:51,760
and he

1514
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:52,480
it

1515
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,440
really

1516
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,440
showed how much he did know about the

1517
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,440
subject

1518
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,760
yeah yeah and i was impressed and i told

1519
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,599
him i said wow man

1520
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,000
i i didn't think you had any of me

1521
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,000
because that was so good

1522
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,920
i i tell you one more thing because i

1523
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,440
know we probably gotta wrap up and you

1524
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,680
know i don't like to be a mike hog even

1525
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:13,920
though i do um

1526
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,280
him and stan gordon getting together

1527
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,760
in southwest pennsylvania just him and

1528
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,799
stan gordon sharing the same space

1529
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,119
having conversations and

1530
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,160
but showing stand around the van

1531
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,720
you know and there's some history there

1532
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,960
right but like that there was just such

1533
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,720
an energy in a

1534
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,480
just a moment i'm standing there with

1535
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,240
shannon and i'm like this is

1536
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:39,760
you know for those of us that are in

1537
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,030
i don't know

1538
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,040
history right here

1539
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:49,680
these two guys come together and

1540
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,230
it was great well guys i i want to thank

1541
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,319
for coming all night it was it was very

1542
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,119
enjoyable and uh you know i enjoyed it

1543
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,559
and i'm quite sure the audience did and

1544
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,520
uh again we're gonna all get together on

1545
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,760
dave's show monday evening

1546
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,880
at

1547
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,880
midnight um

1548
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,880
or tuesday midnight

1549
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:17,680
and uh monday at nine o'clock pacific

1550
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:21,440
time and uh on spaced out radio so

1551
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,559
you know be sure you tune in and once

1552
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,240
again it'll be a longer show we'll

1553
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,920
probably get more things out there i'm

1554
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,400
quite sure dave has a few things in

1555
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,400
store for us so guys thanks again for

1556
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,000
coming on

1557
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,240
appreciate that and uh you know i'll

1558
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,640
never forget i'm gonna quote butch right

1559
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:40,960
here call me if you need bail money yep

1560
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,190
love that guy

1561
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,880
thanks for asking

1562
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,160
thanks okay you take care thank you

1563
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,839
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1564
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,599
or sighting feel free to contact me

1565
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,440
through the fans of monsters blog site i

1566
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,920
want to again thank sean forker eric

1567
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,680
altman and dave scott for joining me

1568
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,880
this evening

1569
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,040
and thanks to each and all you for

1570
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,960
watching and chatting if you made a

1571
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,880
super chat donation it's truly

1572
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,319
appreciated

1573
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,400
uh your support is what makes all this

1574
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,559
possible and please like subscribe and

1575
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,799
share now next week

1576
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,640
i'm going we're going to have an update

1577
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,040
on the chicago hair mothman

1578
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,119
um phenomena

1579
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:25,839
joining me will be our investigators

1580
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,200
emmanuel navarette and tobias whalen so

1581
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,559
um

1582
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,319
you know

1583
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,480
again i got to say about butch i mean

1584
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,480
i'm really going to miss the guy he was

1585
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,880
uh he was one of a kind

1586
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,520
and uh you know he

1587
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,319
kind of uh he kind of made it all

1588
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,839
fun for me

1589
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,680
honestly i mean he was

1590
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,280
anytime i had a question or had

1591
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:50,799
something he was there to pick the phone

1592
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,760
up and i always appreciate that and i am

1593
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,079
going to miss him so um you know until

1594
01:01:08,430 --> 01:00:58,079
next week stay healthy have a safe

1595
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,990
[Music]

1596
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,070
so

1597
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:46,130
[Applause]